Scientology vs Religion vs Evolution vs Athiest

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Eye Believe

Eye Believe

Einstein
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Scientology

What is scientology? Scientology teaches that people are immortal beings who have forgotten their true nature.[7] Its method of spiritual rehabilitation is a type of counselling known as auditing, in which practitioners aim to consciously re-experience painful or traumatic events in their past in order to free themselves of their limiting effects.[8] Study materials and auditing courses are made available to members in return for specified donations.[9] Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States and some other countries,[10][11][12][13] and the Church of Scientology emphasizes this as proof that it is a bona fide religion.[14] In other countries, notably Canada, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom, Scientology does not have comparable religious status.

The Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by L. Ron Hubbard, a former science fiction writer. It is perhaps best known for its celebrity adherents, among them Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Leah Remini.

Whether Scientology is a "religion" is a matter of debate. Scientology presents itself as a "technology" that leads people to "true spiritual release and freedom." It does not emphasize particular beliefs about God or other traditional religious topics, yet it calls itself a "Church" and presents many of its teachings in spiritual and religious terms. Scientology is also highly controversial, with many regarding it as a dangerous cult or financial scam.

It is not the job of ReligionFacts to present our own opinion on these issues, but only to provide facts about the group's history, beliefs and practices. We have included Scientology on ReligionFacts simply because it meets our basic criteria of including teachings about the meaning of life and some set of rituals. The Scientology Links page leads to both critical and supportive arguments on the controversies of Scientology.
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Religion
What is religion? Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature.

The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system, but religion differs from private belief in that it has a social aspect.[1] Many religions have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, congregations of laity, regular meetings or services for the purposes of veneration of a deity or for prayer, holy places (either natural or architectural), and/or scriptures. The practice of a religion may also include sermons, commemoration of the activities of a god or gods, sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trance, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. However, there are examples of religions for which some or many of these aspects of structure, belief, or practices are absent.
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Evolution

What is Evolution? Evolution is any change across successive generations in the inherited characteristics of biological populations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins.

Life on Earth originated and then evolved from a universal common ancestor approximately 3.7 billion years ago. Repeated speciation and the divergence of life can be inferred from shared sets of biochemical and morphological traits, or by shared DNA sequences. These homologous traits and sequences are more similar among species that share a more recent common ancestor, and can be used to reconstruct evolutionary histories, using both existing species and the fossil record. Existing patterns of biodiversity have been shaped both by speciation and by extinction.
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Atheism​


What is Atheism? in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

Arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence for deities.[12] Other rationales for not believing in any deity include the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Although some atheists have adopted secular philosophies,[13][14] there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[15] Many atheists hold that atheism is a more parsimonious worldview than theism, and therefore the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism.
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So which way do you lean? After voting, place your comments on your beliefs.
 
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comfortablynumb

comfortablynumb

Enemy of the State
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You first, I think...
 
JAY9000

JAY9000

Doom is on !!
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Cant ya be a Evolutionary atheist ??
 
G

glitters

Analyzing
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Cant ya be a Evolutionary atheist ??

That would be my pick too.

Scientology gives me nasty shivers at the mere mention of the word.

:yuck:
 
JAY9000

JAY9000

Doom is on !!
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Scientology teaches that people are immortal beings who have forgotten their true nature.

I can kinda go with that one ,but the rituals and financial commitment say made up scam to me....
 
August

August

Over the Edge and Back Again.
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I don't believe in any of them........
 
G

glitters

Analyzing
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I can kinda go with that one ,but the rituals and financial commitment say made up scam to me....

You need to keep paying for courses until you become a 'clear',which of course never happens- It is a brainwashing,money making cult .:mad:
 
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michael59

michael59

Questioning
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You need to keep paying for courses until you become a 'clear',which of course never happens- It is a brainwashing,money making cult .:mad:

I don't know if scientology is available here, where I live. I seem to recall that it was trying to take a foothold about 30 years ago but, there was some kind of backlash from the public and the PTB. I even recall that one location was burned to the ground.

They have something similar here in Canada, but it is not called scientology, It is presented as a self help or self improvement class. You pay big bucks to take this course and when or if you say you don't have that kind of money? You are told that if you really want change bad enough, you will find a way to get the money.

The course is called, The Pursuit Of Excellence, and it has several levels of classes. Each class is a supposed step closer to enlightenment. Each class cost thousands of dollars. You can take the class as many times as you want until you feel ready to move on to the next step/class but, you only have to pay for each class once.

I recall people/friends trying to recruit me on several occasions. I even lost a few so called friends because of it.

IMO, it is brain washing. I want no part of it.

I feel the same way about all organized religion.

I know there is a higher power. I have experienced this power on several occasions throughout my lifetime. Is it God? :unsure: Your guess is as good as mine.
 
rorechof

rorechof

Crystalline Entity
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In the mid-sixties, the Church of Scientology was banned in Australia based on a government report that the cult relied heavily on command hypnosis.

In 1967, the US government removed Scientology's tax-exempt status, branding its activities as commercial and for the benefit of Hubbard, rather than for charitable or religious purposes.

The decision resulted in a litigation that would be settled in the Church's favour a quarter of a century later, the longest-run case in the US government’s history.

Today Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States.

It is, however, still looked upon as a cult in Canada, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom, and has often been described as one that financially defrauds and abuses its members, charging exorbitant fees for its spiritual services.
 
CDChronlin

CDChronlin

Wondering
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You need to keep paying for courses until you become a 'clear',which of course never happens- It is a brainwashing,money making cult .:mad:

so true!

for a splash of irony...
Here in Boise, mormons were outside of scientology buildings protesting.
a money making cult protesting a new money making cult.

we tortured those protestors. i almost feel bad, but i havent had that much fun in a while.
I had the opportunity to tell a mormon they were being hypocrits, and why. :)


Eye-
Im an evolutionary atheist as well. i dont see them as very comparable.
 
G

glitters

Analyzing
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so true!

for a splash of irony...
Here in Boise, mormons were outside of scientology buildings protesting.
a money making cult protesting a new money making cult.

we tortured those protestors. i almost feel bad, but i havent had that much fun in a while.
I had the opportunity to tell a mormon they were being hypocrits, and why. :)


Eye-
Im an evolutionary atheist as well. i dont see them as very comparable.

In Australia we seem to get a lot of American and Canadian Mormons doing their.....mission,I guess it's called. I haven't sighted any since my dog chased 2 of them and they took the wrong path- ended up in a very large and deep fishpond.I wish I had taken a video of them cycling up the road on their pushbikes,black suits dripping wet and a trail of water left behind.:p

I know first hand what Scientology does to people,I watched a neighbour slowly lose everything,his job,his car,his house,and his wife because Scientology was his only concern.He was hungering to obtain enough cash for his next course,almost like a junkie.The last I heard of him he was working for them as payment for courses,his family tried everything they could to get through to him,but he refused to even speak to them in the end,with the church also blocking them from seeing him.
I really hope the family did manage to help him,but think the 'Church' won.
 
michael59

michael59

Questioning
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In Australia we seem to get a lot of American and Canadian Mormons doing their.....mission,I guess it's called. I haven't sighted any since my dog chased 2 of them and they took the wrong path- ended up in a very large and deep fishpond.I wish I had taken a video of them cycling up the road on their pushbikes,black suits dripping wet and a trail of water left behind.:p

:LOL: I have a similar story involving Jehovah Witness......

One time my brother was working on a horse ranch and a small car pulled in the driveway. His german shepherd, Amy, started barking and mock charging at the car. There were four men dressed in suits and ties in the car. One man rolled down the window a couple of inches and asked "Does your dog bite?" My brother jokingly said "Only if you're Jehovah Witness."

He rolled up the window and they drove away.
 
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Eye Believe

Eye Believe

Einstein
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Close this, I remade a new thread with a better option for people.
Thanks ;]
 
O

Omeron

Inquisitive
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This would make a nice no hold bar, no paycheck for the lossers free for all cage fight.

I would pay 4.99 on pay-per-veiw for that one.
Heck the pope vs darwin vs niche vs L Ron whatshisface
 
CDChronlin

CDChronlin

Wondering
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not trying to offend, but do you mean "Nietzsche"?

cause I'd argue that he was not an atheist. "God is dead" means that he believed "God" existed at one point, so that he could die.

you should throw David Silverman (American Atheist President/Super bigot tool) into the cage match in his place.
 
L

Lear

Analyzing
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I'm ganna stick with Christianity.

As for jahovas whittesess... they are a bunch of asses. See my house is messy. doesn't bother me or my parents or my friends. but when they come around trying to convert everyone and they see our house they call it into the city. a few months later, here they come. I was at my nieghbors working on his car and they ask me if I live at my house and I say no... I knew if I said yes they would call child services. hey want everything their way.
makes me sick.
 
comfortablynumb

comfortablynumb

Enemy of the State
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scientology is on a damage limitation mission at the momment:

Former Scientologist and current anti-Scientologist blogger Marty Rathbun posted an email message instructing followers on how to "counter free speech on the internet." Rathbun claims that the email comes from the church's Office of Special Affairs, otherwise known as the "dirty tricks and propaganda arm of Scientology Inc.

Blogger: Scientology group asks followers to censor Web comments | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
Scientology Inc Wants to Censor Cruise/Holmes Break Up News
 
rorechof

rorechof

Crystalline Entity
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Can ~ Will ~ DOES Scientology Make YOU a Better Person...

Take a Look at The Improved Lifestyle of One of The STARS OF Scientology

John Travolta?
He's Cheap
And
He's Giving Charity Money to Scientology
Forbes Media & Entertainment

5/09/2012

John Travolta has a lot of problems right now.
They’re splashed everywhere,
and
they involved two masseurs suing him for sexual harassment.

Those are not Travolta’s only problems.
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After his son, Jett, died in 2009, Travolta set up the Jett Travolta Foundation.
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Jett was autistic, but for years Travolta and wife Kelly Preston denied it since Scientology doesn’t treat mental diseases.

They insisted he had something called Kawasaki Syndrome.
But
IN the police report in the Bahamas when Jett died, Travolta stated that Jett was autistic.

Now we’re two years into the Jett Travolta Foundation, and the former “Saturday Night Fever” star turns out to be pretty cheap.

In 2010, according to Federal Tax Records, he gave away just $27,850; most of it going to local groups in Florida where the Travolta's live.

In 2011, according to the group’s website, Travolta added more Scientology organizations: Narconon, the Heroes Health Fund (the same as Scientology's much-derided sauna detox program Scientology claims purges its victims), and the International Society of Detox Specialists–all Scientology groups, as well as something called the Institute for Achievement of Human Potential.
John Travolta? He's Cheap, And He's Giving Charity Money to Scientology - Forbes
 
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